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1. About the lists
1.1 Mailing Lists
1.2 Netiquette
1.3 Do Not Mail a Single Individual
1.4 Subscription Required
1.5 Moderation of new posters
1.6 Handling trolls and spam
1.7 How to unsubscribe
1.8 I posted, now what?
1.9 Your emails are public
2. Sending mail
2.1 Reply or New Mail
2.2 Reply to the List
2.3 Use a Sensible Subject
2.4 Do Not Top-Post
2.5 HTML is not for mails
2.6 Quoting
2.7 Digest
2.8 Please Tell Us How You Solved The Problem!
1. About the lists
1.1 Mailing Lists
The mailing lists we have are all listed and described at
Each mailing list is targeted to a specific set of users and subjects,
please use the one or the ones that suit you the most.
Each mailing list has hundreds up to thousands of readers, meaning that
each mail sent will be received and read by a very large number of people.
People from various cultures, regions, religions and continents.
1.2 Netiquette
Netiquette is a common term for how to behave on the internet. Of course, in
each particular group and subculture there will be differences in what is
acceptable and what is considered good manners.
This document outlines what we in the curl project consider to be good
etiquette, and primarily this focus on how to behave on and how to use our
mailing lists.
1.3 Do Not Mail a Single Individual
Many people send one question to one person. One person gets many mails, and
there is only one person who can give you a reply. The question may be
something that other people would also like to ask. These other people have
no way to read the reply, but to ask the one person the question. The one
person consequently gets overloaded with mail.
If you really want to contact an individual and perhaps pay for his or her
services, by all means go ahead, but if it's just another curl question,
take it to a suitable list instead.
1.4 Subscription Required
All curl mailing lists require that you are subscribed to allow a mail to go
through to all the subscribers.
If you post without being subscribed (or from a different mail address than
the one you are subscribed with), your mail will simply be silently
discarded. You have to subscribe first, then post.
The reason for this unfortunate and strict subscription policy is of course
to stop spam from pestering the lists.
1.5 Moderation of new posters
Several of the curl mailing lists automatically make all posts from new
subscribers be moderated. This means that after you've subscribed and
sent your first mail to a list, that mail will not be let through to the
list until a mailing list administrator has verified that it is OK and
permits it to get posted.
Once a first post has been made that proves the sender is actually talking
about curl-related subjects, the moderation "flag" will be switched off and
future posts will go through without being moderated.
The reason for this moderation policy is that we do suffer from spammers who
actually subscribe and send spam to our lists.
1.6 Handling trolls and spam
Despite our good intentions and hard work to keep spam off the lists and to
maintain a friendly and positive atmosphere, there will be times when spam
and or trolls get through.
Troll - "someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages
in an online community"
Spam - "use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited bulk
No matter what, we NEVER EVER respond to trolls or spammers on the list. If
you believe the list admin should do something in particular, contact him/her
off-list. The subject will be taken care of as much as possible to prevent
repeated offenses, but responding on the list to such messages never leads to
anything good and only puts the light even more on the offender: which was
the entire purpose of it getting sent to the list in the first place.
Don't feed the trolls!
1.7 How to unsubscribe
You can unsubscribe the same way you subscribed in the first place. You go
to the page for the particular mailing list you're subscribed to and you enter
your email address and password and press the unsubscribe button.
Also, the instructions to unsubscribe are included in the headers of every
mail that is sent out to all curl related mailing lists and there's a footer
in each mail that links to the "admin" page on which you can unsubscribe and
change other options.
You NEVER EVER email the mailing list requesting someone else to take you off
the list.
1.8 I posted, now what?
If you aren't subscribed with the exact same email address that you used to
send the email, your post will just be silently discarded.
If you posted for the first time to the mailing list, you first need to wait
for an administrator to allow your email to go through (moderated). This normally
happens very quickly but in case we're asleep, you may have to wait a few
Once your email goes through it is sent out to several hundred or even
thousands of recipients. Your email may cover an area that not that many people
know about or are interested in. Or possibly the person who knows about it
is on vacation or under a very heavy work load right now. You may have to wait
for a response and you should not expect to get a response at all, but
hopefully you get an answer within a couple of days.
You do yourself and all of us a service when you include as many details as
possible already in your first email. Mention your operating system and
environment. Tell us which curl version you're using and tell us what you
did, what happened and what you expected would happen. Preferably, show us
what you did with details enough to allow others to help point out the problem
or repeat the same steps in their locations.
Failing to include details will only delay responses and make people respond
and ask for more details and you will have to send a follow-up email that
includes them.
Expect the responses to primarily help YOU debug the issue, or ask YOU
questions that can lead you or others towards a solution or explanation to
whatever you experience.
If you are a repeat offender to the guidelines outlined in this document,
chances are that people will ignore you at will and your chances to get
responses in the future will greatly diminish.
1.9 Your emails are public
Your email, its contents and all its headers and the details in those
headers will be received by every subscriber of the mailing list that you
send your email to.
Your email as sent to a curl mailing list will end up in mail archives, on
the curl web site and elsewhere, for others to see and read. Today and in
the future. In addition to the archives, the mail is sent out to thousands
of individuals. There is no way to undo a sent email.
When sending emails to a curl mailing list, do not include sensitive
information such as user names and passwords; use fake ones, temporary ones
or just remove them completely from the mail. Note that this includes base64
encoded HTTP Basic auth headers.
This public nature of the curl mailing lists makes automatically inserted mail
footers about mails being "private" or "only meant for the recipient" or
similar even more silly than usual. Because they are absolutely not private
when sent to a public mailing list.
2. Sending mail
2.1 Reply or New Mail
Please do not reply to an existing message as a short-cut to post a message
to the lists.
Many mail programs and web archivers use information within mails to keep
them together as "threads", as collections of posts that discuss a certain
subject. If you don't intend to reply on the same or similar subject, don't
just hit reply on an existing mail and change subject, create a new mail.
2.2 Reply to the List
When replying to a message from the list, make sure that you do "group
reply" or "reply to all", and not just reply to the author of the single
mail you reply to.
We're actively discouraging replying back to the single person by setting
the Reply-To: field in outgoing mails back to the mailing list address,
making it harder for people to mail the author directly, if only by mistake.
2.3 Use a Sensible Subject
Please use a subject of the mail that makes sense and that is related to the
contents of your mail. It makes it a lot easier to find your mail afterwards
and it makes it easier to track mail threads and topics.
2.4 Do Not Top-Post
If you reply to a message, don't use top-posting. Top-posting is when you
write the new text at the top of a mail and you insert the previous quoted
mail conversation below. It forces users to read the mail in a backwards
order to properly understand it.
This is why top posting is so bad (in top posting order):
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Apart from the screwed up read order (especially when mixed together in a
thread when someone responds using the mandated bottom-posting style), it
also makes it impossible to quote only parts of the original mail.
When you reply to a mail. You let the mail client insert the previous mail
quoted. Then you put the cursor on the first line of the mail and you move
down through the mail, deleting all parts of the quotes that don't add
context for your comments. When you want to add a comment you do so, inline,
right after the quotes that relate to your comment. Then you continue
downwards again.
When most of the quotes have been removed and you've added your own words,
you're done!
2.5 HTML is not for mails
Please switch off those HTML encoded messages. You can mail all those funny
mails to your friends. We speak plain text mails.
2.6 Quoting
Quote as little as possible. Just enough to provide the context you cannot
leave out. A lengthy description can be found here:
2.7 Digest
We allow subscribers to subscribe to the "digest" version of the mailing
lists. A digest is a collection of mails lumped together in one single mail.
Should you decide to reply to a mail sent out as a digest, there are two
things you MUST consider if you really really cannot subscribe normally
Cut off all mails and chatter that is not related to the mail you want to
reply to.
Change the subject name to something sensible and related to the subject,
preferably even the actual subject of the single mail you wanted to reply to
2.8 Please Tell Us How You Solved The Problem!
Many people mail questions to the list, people spend some of their time and
make an effort in providing good answers to these questions.
If you are the one who asks, please consider responding once more in case
one of the hints was what solved your problems. The guys who write answers
feel good to know that they provided a good answer and that you fixed the
problem. Far too often, the person who asked the question is never heard from
again, and we never get to know if he/she is gone because the problem was
solved or perhaps because the problem was unsolvable!
Getting the solution posted also helps other users that experience the same
problem(s). They get to see (possibly in the web archives) that the
suggested fixes actually has helped at least one person.